Dagens klima link

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NY STUDIE VISER INGEN TEGN TIL NEDSMELTING I ANTARKTIS SIDEN MÅLINGENE BEGYNTE I 1979

Denne artikkelen publisert i Geophysical Research Letters for et par dager siden bør være god ferskmat for Jostemikk, såvel som dere andre som liker å studere utviklingstrender og -grafer?

Abstractet finner dere her:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2012/2011GL050207.shtml

Og litt fersk omtale her:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-paper-finds-no-change-in-antarctica.html

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Takker, Tele!

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Jeg har saumfart litt rundt om, her er link til stoff som viser at EPA fortsetter sin tvilsomme vei:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=d899bf2f-802a-23ad-41d0-14718f2fe1b0

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Her er litt om at NOAA nå må redde seg ut av de verste påfunnene i sin "katastrofedatabase":

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/01/follow-up-noaa-to-redo-its-billion.html

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Er det ikke sørgelig, Tele, at NOAA endte opp som en ren politisk alarmistorganisasjon? Jeg føler sterkere og sterkere avmakt overfor samrøra forskning/politikk. Det er skremmende muligheter i den lapskausen.

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Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change: En liten titt i hvem av våre norske forskere som ble med fra 2008 og fram til signering i 2010.

Det lille knippet sentrale politikkmakere i den indre IPCC-klanen hevder som kjent jevnt og trutt at der er konsensus blant seriøse vitenskapsfolk om AGW/CO2-hypotesen.
Å?!
Hvordan har det seg da at prominente vitenskapsmenn fra 40 land signerte i 2010 den såkalte Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change, sponset av the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC).

Den innledende 2008-deklarasjonen, som utformet deres protest, sa bl.a. at:

"Global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life; the causes and extent of recently-observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed "consensus" among climate experts are false.‖

Deklarasjonen konluderer:
There is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change.‖ A sampling of scientists signing the declaration as of June 19, 2008, are listed below. The signatory process has been open for two years and continues to add new scientists."


Fullstendig statement lød slik:

Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change - "Global warming" is not a global crisis: We, the scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders, assembled at Times Square, New York City, participating in the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change, Resolving that scientific questions should be evaluated solely by the scientific method; Affirming that global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and that carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life; Recognizing that the causes and extent of recently-observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed ‗consensus' among climate experts are false; Affirming that attempts by governments to legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage CO2 emission reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly diminish future prosperity and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing human suffering; Noting that warmer weather is generally less harmful to life on Earth than colder: Hereby declare: That current plans to restrict anthropogenic CO2 emissions are a dangerous misallocation of intellectual capital and resources that should be dedicated to solving humanity's real and serious problems. That there is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change. That attempts by governments to inflict taxes and costly regulations on industry and individual citizens with the aim of reducing emissions of CO2 will pointlessly curtail the prosperity of the West and progress of developing nations without affecting climate. That adaptation as needed is massively more cost-effective than any attempted mitigation, and that a focus on such mitigation will divert the attention and resources of governments away from addressing the real problems of their peoples. That human-caused climate change is not a global crisis. Now, therefore, we recommend – That world leaders reject the views expressed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as popular, but misguided works such as ―An Inconvenient Truth‖. That all taxes, regulations, and other interventions intended to reduce emissions of CO2 be abandoned forthwith. Agreed at New York, 4 March 2008.63

Først signerte noen hundre vitenskapsfolk i 2008, så i desember 2010 signerte ytterligere 712 vitenskapsfolk på deklarasjonen, herunder folk som (de norske er uthevet med rødt):

Clive Stevens, BS, MSc, D.I.C. FR Meteorogical Society, Weather Forecasting (since 1971), Private Companies around the world, Baku, Azerbaijan;
Gordon Evans, BS (Meteorology, Texas A&M University), MS (Soil Science, Texas A&M University), 30 yrs as environmental consultant on natural earth systems and processes and industrial pollution, including management of several advanced atmospheric modeling and measurement projects, Environmental Manager, The Texas A&M University System, College Station, Texas, U.S.A.;
Oscar Fann, College Degree, Media (television), Chief Meteorologist, WTVY-TV (CBS), Dothan, Alabama, U.S.A.;
Gary Kubat, BS (Atmospheric Science), MS (Atmospheric Science), professional meteorologist last 18 years, O\'Fallon, Illinois, U.S.A.;
Joseph Kunc, PhD, Molecular Physics, Professor, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, U.S.A.;
James Kurtz, PhD (Inorganic Chemistry, Syracuse University), Postdoctoral (Chemical Kinetics, Purdue University), Industrial Research and Development, Idaho Falls, Idaho, U.S.A.;

Rune B. Larsen, PhD (Geology, Geochemistry), Associate Professor, Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), Trondheim, Norway; , PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, President - Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada;

Asmunn Moene, PhD, MSc (Meteorology), former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Oslo, Norway;

M. R. Morgan, PhD, Cdr., FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K, now residing in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada; Travis Littlechilds, PhD (Geology), MSc (Environmental Sciences), Geomorphography, Climate Patterns, The British Columbia Institute of Environmental Sciences, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada;
John Llewellyn, Meteorology, Airport Meteorologist, NOAA NWS (USWB), retired, Ellensburg, WA, U.S.A.;
Björn Malmgren, PhD, University Professor, Paleoclimate Science, retired, Lerum, Sweden;
Emmanuel Malterre, B. Eng., Professional Geophysicist (APEGGA), Calgary, Alberta, Canada;
John Marshall, Dip. Geosci (Open), retired, Horncastle, Lincolnshire, United Kingdom;
Romuald Bartnik, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Professor Emeritus, University of Lodz, Lodz, Poland;
William R. Bennett, BS, MS, M (AAM), Ms (AAM), Director for The Kentucky Science Teachers' Association, Professor of Chemistry and Microbiology, St, Catherine College and The University of Kentucky, St. Catherine, Kentucky, U.S.A.;
Roger Burtner, PhD (Harvard University), MS (Stanford University), Former National Science Foundation Fellow, Fellow Geological Society of America, research geologist/geochemist, Consulting geologist, former research scientist, Chevron Oil Field Research Co, R. L. Burtner & Associates, Fullerton, California, U.S.A.;
Elizabeth Innes, PhD, Scientist, Senior Chemist, Health Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada;

Olav M. Kvalheim, Professor, Department of Chemistry, Univ. of Bergen, Bergen, Norway;

Erwin Lalik, PhD (crystallography), materials science and heterogeous catalysis, Institute of Catalysis and Surface Chemistry, Polish Academy of Science, Krakow, Poland;
Endel Lippmaa, Prof.Dr.habil (Physics, Chemistry), Chairman - Energy Council of the Estonian Academy of Science, Tallinn, Estonia;
James Weeg, BS (Geology), MS (Env. Science), Professional Geologist, Hydrologist, Associate Professor, Environmental Geology, Geologist Advent Environmental Inc., Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, U.S.A.;
Larry D. Agenbroad, Emeritus Professor of Geology & Quaternary Studies, Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff, Arizona, U.S.A., Director, Mammoth Site of Hot Springs, Hot Springs, South Dakota, U.S.A.;
M.I. Bhat, Professor (Tectonics, Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Kashmir), Sprinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, India;
Vedat Shehu, Prof. Dr. Eng., Geologist, Engineering Geology, Tectonics, Geoingineering, Sharon, Massachusetts, U.S.A. and Professor "Geoingineering Research Unit" in Tirana, Albania;
Joseph Silverman, Fellow APS, ANS, Professor Emeritus of Nuclear Engineering, Materials Science & Engineering Dept., University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland, U.S.A.;
Gösta Walin, Professor, oceanografi, Earth Science Center, Göteborg University, Göteborg, Sweden;
Richard Becherer PhD (Optics, University of Rochester), MS (Physics, University of Illinois), BS (Physics, Boston College);
Ahmed Boucenna PhD, Professor of Physics, Physics Department, Faculty of Science, Ferhat Abbas University, Setif, Algéria;
Antonio Brambati PhD, Emeritus Professor (sedimentology), Department of Geological, Environmental and Marine Sciences (DiSGAM), University of Trieste (specialization: climate change as determined by Antarctic marine sediments), Trieste, Italy;
Arthur Chadwick PhD (Molecular Biology), Research Professor, Department of Biology and Geology, Southwestern Adventist University, Climate Specialties: dendrochronology (determination of past climate states by tree ring analysis), palynology (same but using pollen as a climate proxy), paleobotany and botany; Keene, Texas, U.S.A.;
Cornelia Codreanova Diploma in Geography, Researcher (Areas of Specialization: formation of glacial lakes) at Liberec University, Czech Republic, Zwenkau, Germany;
James E Dent B.Sc., FCIWEM, C.Met, FRMetS, C.Env., Independent Consultant, Member of WMO OPACHE Group on Flood Warning, Hadleigh, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom;
Terrence F. Flower PhD, Professor of Physics and Astronomy, St. Catherine University, studied and taught physics of climate (focus on Arctic and Antarctic); Lars Franzén PhD (Physical Geography), Professor, Physical Geography at Earth Sciences Centre, University of Gothenburg, Areas of Specialization: Palaeoclimate from global peatland and Chinese loess studies;
Katya Georgieva MSc (Physics of the Earth, Atmosphere, and Space, specialty Meteorology), PhD (Solar-Terrestrial Physics - PhD thesis on solar influences on global climate changes), Associate Professor, Head of group "Solar dynamics and global climate change" in the Solar-Terrestrial Influences Laboratory at the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, head of project "Solar activity influences of weather and climate" of the scientific plan of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, member of the "Climate changes" council of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, Regional coordinator of the Balkan, Black sea and Caspian sea countries and member of the European Steering Committee for the International Heliophysical Year 2007-2008, deputy editor-in-chief of the international scientific journal "Sun and Geosphere", Bulgaria;
Larry Irons BS (Geology), MS (Geology), Sr. Geophysicist at FairfieldNodal (Areas of Specialization: Paleoclimate), Lakewood, Colorado, U.S.A.;
Leif Kullman PhD (Physical geography, plant ecology, landscape ecology), Professor, Physical geography, Department of Ecology and Environmental science, Umeå University, Areas of Specialization: Paleoclimate (Holocene to the present), glaciology, vegetation history, impact of modern climate on the living landscape, Umeå, Sweden;
David Manuta Ph.D. (Inorganic/Physical Chemistry, SUNY Binghamton), FAIC, Climate Specialties: Gas Phase Infrared Studies, Thermodynamics of Small Molecule Formation (e.g., CO2, HF, and H2O), Chairman of the Board, The American Institute of Chemists; Irina Melnikova PhD (Physics & Mathematics), Head of the Laboratory for Physics of the Atmosphere INENCO RAN, specialization: radiative regime of the cloudy atmosphere;
Stanley Penkala BS (Chemical Engineering, Univ. of PA), PhD (Chemical Engineering, Univ. of PA.), Asst. Prof. Air Engineering and Industrial Hygiene, University of Pittsburgh GSPH (1970-1973), Environmental Scientist, DeNardo & McFarland Weather Services (1973-1980), Air Science Consultants, Inc. (VP 1980-1995, President 1995-Present), Areas of Specialization: Air Dispersion Modeling, Anthropogenic Sources of Global CO2, Quality Assurance in Air Pollution Measurements, Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.; Oleg M. Pokrovsky BS, MS, PhD (mathematics and atmospheric physics - St. Petersburg State University, 1970), Dr. in Phys. and Math Sciences (1985), Professor in Geophysics (1995), principal scientist, Main Geophysical Observatory (RosHydroMet), St. Petersburg, Russia;
Oleg Raspopov Doctor of Science and Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation, Professor - Geophysics, Senior Scientist, St. Petersburg Filial (Branch) of N.V.Pushkov Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radiowaves Propagetion of RAS (climate specialty: climate in the past, particularly the influence of solar variability), Editor-in-Chief of journal "Geomagnetism and Aeronomy" (published by Russian Academy of Sciences), St. Petersburg, Russia;

Jan-Erik Solheim MSc (Astrophysics), Professor, Institute of Physics, University of Tromso, Norway (1971-2002), Professor (emeritus), Institute of Theoretical Astrophysics, University of Oslo, Norway (1965-1970, 2002- present), climate specialties: sun and periodic climate variations;

Roger Tanner PhD (Analytical Chemistry, University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana), 40-yr career in atmospheric chemistry and air quality measurement science at Tennessee Valley Authority, Desert Research Institute, Reno, and Brookhaven National Lab, Climate Specialties: atmospheric chemistry and air quality measurement science, Florence, Alabama, U.S.A.;
Edward M. Tomlinson MS (Meteorology), Ph.D. (Meteorology, University of Utah), President, Applied Weather Associates, LLC (leader in extreme rainfall storm analyses), 21 years US Air Force in meteorology (Air Weather Service), Monument, Colorado, U.S.A.;
Michael G. Vershovsky Ph.D. in meteorology (macrometeorology, long-term forecasts, climatology), Senior Researcher, Russian State Hydrometeorological University;
Bob Zybach PhD (Oregon State University (OSU), Environmental Sciences Program, EPA-sponsored peer-reviewed research on carbon sequestration in coniferous forests -- mostly in relation to climate history and quality of climate predictive models), MAIS (OSU, Forest Ecology, Cultural Anthropology, Historical Archaeology), BS (OSU College of Forestry);

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Pluss:

581.Tom V. Segalstad, PhD (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway

240.Arne W. Gronhaug, Cand. Real (MSc equivalent, University of Oslo), consulting geologist (retired), Norwegian Road Research Laboratory, Oslo, Norway

309.Ole Humlum, PhD, Physical Geography, Professor, University of Oslo, Norway

340.Bjorn Justnes, BSc, MSc, Electronic Design, Oslo, Norway

375.Roar Larsen, Dr.ing.(PhD), Chief scientist, and adjunct professor, Chemical Engineering, SINTEF and the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Trondheim, Norway

425.Vegard Martinsen, Cand. Scient. (MS equivalent), Education, Senior adviser Institution, Vox City, Oslo, Norway

170.Per Engene, PhD, Biologist, Valenvegen, Norway

Disse er "endorsers" som ikke var med på selve konferansen.

Se

http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=1

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Ja, da har Bebben komplettert listen med dem som støttet oppropet, men ikke var tilstede.
Bra å få alle med, for mitt poeng er jo å få en oversikt over alle de norske som har tatt bladet fra munnen, om de deltok eller ikke.

Har noen forresten tatt seg bryet med å korrelere disse navnene med i hvor stor grad deres flagging har ført til redusert deltakelse i IPCC-maktens egne organer overnasjonalt, og nasjonalt: råd og komiteer i forskningsråd, osv.?

Litt tidlig ennå kanskje mht. direkte konsekvenser, men dere vil nok se at de blir ikke de første Solheim roper på når nye utvalg skal settes ned.....

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Litt tidlig ennå kanskje mht. direkte konsekvenser, men dere vil nok se at de blir ikke de første Solheim roper på når nye utvalg skal settes ned.....

Der politikerne er med på slike utnevnelser er hvor man ser problemet rundt det jeg har nevnt angående samrøra politikk/forskning. Det får rett og slett ikke endt med noe godt!

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BBC's radioprogram "More or Less" grep i 2007 tak i en kontrovers vedrørende en klimaartikkel i New Statesman, og diverse suspekte klimatrender publisert av banden til Dr. Mann via Real Climate. Enden ble et klimaveddemål: Ville temperaturen stige fra 2007 til 2012 eller ikke? Basert på Hadcrut3. 100 GBP ble satset, og James Annan, en relativ velkjent klimaguru flesket til med veddemål på stigning fordi han hadde lite til overs for skeptikere....

Dr. David Whitehouse fra GWPF veddet på null stigning. Relativt safe veddemål siden man allerede da visste at temperaturtrenden hadde vært paddeflat siden 1998.

BBC summerte opp veddemålet i går, fredag 13.januar, og bekjentgjorde at Dr Whitehouse hadde vunnet, da temperaturen ikke hadde steget siden 2007.

Full omtale her: http://thegwpf.org/the-observatory/4748-winning-a-climate-bet.html
og her: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100129892/global-warming-red-faced-climatologist-issues-grovelling-apology/

Av en eller annen merkelig grunn har BBC sagt pinlig lite om veddemålet denne weekenden.
Dog har Hr Annan bekjentgjort at dette bare var midlertidig uflaks, og han har inngått et nytt veddemål for de fire neste årene.

Jeg ønsker Hr Annan lykke til på reisen. Skal man tro verdens solforskere, blir Hr Annan sannsynligvis kvitt 100 pund til om 4 år.

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Grunnet diverse publikasjoner og forhåpninger om publikasjoner om forskjellige forklaringer på hva som egentlig styrer temperaturen i vår atmosfære, gravitasjon, den totale mengde atmosfære, konveksjon, konduksjon, varmestråling eller annet, går det en del hel og halvhete diskusjoner rundt om.

Den siste er startet av Willis E. hos WUWT, A Matter of Some Gravity, og her går han aldeles berserk. Han modererer/sletter og oppfører seg verre enn Tamino og RC til sammen, og det tydeligvis til fulle fanfarer fra A. Watts. Han herser med alle, blant annet Tallbloke, som tross alt er moderator på WUWT. Willis ikke bare bestemmer hva som er korrekt vitenskap, han mener at han selv er den rette til å skille denne fra ikke så god vitenskap, og modererer etter denne, for WUWTs, nye leveregel.

Jeg har sjelden sett så motbydelig oppførsel av noen. Det er rett og slett håpløst!

Til tross for dette, finnes mange MEGET gode innlegg i tråden, der det deltar mange forskere. Når denne diskusjonen er over, vil det ikke komme linker derfra mer fra undertegnede. Skjer det noe relevant der, regner jeg med at andre legger dem ut.

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BBC's radioprogram "More or Less" grep i 2007 tak i en kontrovers vedrørende en klimaartikkel i New Statesman, og diverse suspekte klimatrender publisert av banden til Dr. Mann via Real Climate. Enden ble et klimaveddemål: Ville temperaturen stige fra 2007 til 2012 eller ikke? Basert på Hadcrut3. 100 GBP ble satset, og James Annan, en relativ velkjent klimaguru flesket til med veddemål på stigning fordi han hadde lite til overs for skeptikere....

Dr. David Whitehouse fra GWPF veddet på null stigning. Relativt safe veddemål siden man allerede da visste at temperaturtrenden hadde vært paddeflat siden 1998.

BBC summerte opp veddemålet i går, fredag 13.januar, og bekjentgjorde at Dr Whitehouse hadde vunnet, da temperaturen ikke hadde steget siden 2007.

Full omtale her: http://thegwpf.org/the-observatory/4748-winning-a-climate-bet.html
og her: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100129892/global-warming-red-faced-climatologist-issues-grovelling-apology/

Av en eller annen merkelig grunn har BBC sagt pinlig lite om veddemålet denne weekenden.
Dog har Hr Annan bekjentgjort at dette bare var midlertidig uflaks, og han har inngått et nytt veddemål for de fire neste årene.

Jeg ønsker Hr Annan lykke til på reisen. Skal man tro verdens solforskere, blir Hr Annan sannsynligvis kvitt 100 pund til om 4 år.

Det foregår et lignende veddemål mellom Zeke H. og Bastardi på The Blackboard. Jeg husker da det startet, og Lucia og Mosher heiv seg på og latterliggjorde Bastardi med begrunnelsen at DET MÅ BLI VARMERE på grunn av økningen av CO2, og naturlige sykluser er bare tullball.

Vi får se hvem som vinner. Det dreier seg visstnok om middager.

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Her er siste forsøk fra Tallbloke, og husk at dette kun er et av mange innlegg Willis E. har gjort slikt med i den tråden. Jeg minner om at Tallbloke, samme hvor feil han eventuelt tar, er den hyggelige karen, som foruten å drive egen blogg, også er moderator hos WUWT!

tallbloke says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Willis says
"TO CONCLUDE: I'm interested in people who can either show that my proof is wrong"

I have shown Willis that his proof is wrong here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/13/a-matter-of-some-gravity/#comment-863688

[Tallbloke, I snipped that because it had no scientific content. Post your elevator speech or give it up. -w.]

It is an easy to understand demonstration that his assertion that Hans Jelbring's 2003 E&E paper violates the laws of thermodynamics because of considerations regarding radiation to space is incorrect. I provided him the same demonstration in email yesterday. The demonstration consists of two lines from the very paper Willis attacks. They are:

"A simplified model of Earth will be considered. The model planet does not rotate. It
neither receives solar radiation nor emits infrared radiation into space. "

Willis has been unresponsive regarding this demonstration both in email yesterday and on this thread he subsequently posted here at WUWT.

Joel Shore made similar accusations, also unsupported by fact, against Nikolov and Zeller. I have offered him a guest post in which to lay out his objections formally. This offer was declined.

It is now a matter of public record that Willis has been formally alerted to the failure of his 'proof'. I will record this on my website in a new post. Since Willis hasn't responded to my demonstration of the failure of his 'proof' here, any whining about his inability to respond on my website due to his self banning will be met with the derision and ridicule it deserves in a place his snipping scissors cannot reach.

I will not have people who ignore correct formal scientific points directly offered to them multiple times and who then continue to cast demonstrably false slurs against reputable scientists posting comments on my site. They can cry "censorship" all they like, but it doesn't cut it with me, especially when they have censored parts of adverse comments here on this thread, and deleted others completely.

[Tallbloke, first give us your elevator speech about Jelbring's hypothesis. Until then, I will not believe you understand it well enough to "prove" anything. You have not shown that my proof has "failed" as you claim, record it on your website or not.

Finally, what "demonstrably false slurs" by Joel are you talking about? You keep making accusations  without a shred of proof or even a hint of evidence, which I suppose shouldn't surprise me by now, but still does. I snipped the last bunch, but I left these in so people can see your willingness to make unsupported accusations.

-w.]

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Jeg er enormt skuffet over Willis Eschenbach i denne diskusjonen. Han klager over at tallbloke har "sensurert" Joel Shore fra å kommentere i visse tråder (men han har tilbudt Shore å skrive en gjestepost!).

I stedet "snipper" Eschenbach andres kommentarer over en lav sko fordi de ikke er med på hans "elevator speech" - altså en hyper-forenkling, kanskje slik du ville forklare ting for et barn - forutsatt at du forstod det, selvfølgelig. Klima og atmosfærefysikk er kompliserte greier, vi ser folk fra "harde" vitenskaper er uenige om mange ting, men den profilerte skeptikeren Willis E. er av en eller annen grunn sur på tallbloke og kanskje andre som er uenige med ham, og lar denne surskapen styre diskusjonen. Vel slik ser det faktisk ut for meg. Har hans stilling som "helt" blant skeptikere gått til hodet på ham?

Nytteløs spekulasjon, selvfølgelig. Men det er et faktum at neste gang han har et innlegg på WUWT, er det ikke sikkert jeg gidder å lese det (alt som gjelder klima, konkurrerer om min tid - det er alltid et eller annet som er verdt å lese og som jeg ikke rekker over).
Da holder jeg en knapp på tallbloke og hans talkshop (grådig godt navn!) for saklig diskusjon.

En annen ting er at WUWT er verdens mest leste klimaskeptiske nettsted. Kan det skades av denne usaklige diskusjonen?

Vet ikke, men jeg er tilhenger av det frie ord. Bedre med en usaklig diskusjon enn med ingen diskusjon i det hele tatt.

PS: Jeg skrev akkurat følgende kortfattede innlegg på WUWT:

Me, I'm with tallbloke.

Science is not settled in elevators.

Så får vi se om det tolereres. 

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Flott at du ga beskjed der, Bebben!

A. Watts kom inn med en kommentar tidligere i kveld, og det dreide seg om at han hadde stengt alle de andre trådene angående disse temaene for diskusjon, og overført alt til denne nye tråden. Dette tyder på at han synes den er meget viktig, og for meg, til tross for mange glimrende innlegg fra begge sider av debatten, er dette uforståelig slik Willis E. holder på.

Han sletter høflige innlegg, han har visstnok sperret folk ute, og han redigerer bort ting han ikke liker! Det er jo nettopp dette Watts har kritisert så sterkt hos enkelte AGW-blogger, og nå har dette blitt hans egen politikk!

Jeg har jo så vidt skrevet litt om dette tidligere, og lagde vel en egen tråd om at Watts var blitt lukewarmer. Nå som Willis E. høres ut som ei tekstbok i fysikk, og sensuren er på fremmarsj, graver han sin egen grav. Han har i hvertfall funnet spaden fram fra redskapsboden og tatt det første spataket.